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    Positives of Islam?

    Has Islam given the Western world anything other than terrorism and immigrants? I'm not trying to be mean, but it's a question that's really been on my mind lately as I read about things like Iran wanting to develop nukes.

    If anyone can enlighten me, I'd love to hear about any positive influence that Islam has spread, especially in North America.

    If I receive nothing but silence, then I can only assume that there simply aren't any positives. What a shame that the one true God can't shed his everlasting mercy over the entire world.

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    I don't know that the contributions of a people should be used as fodder for judgement. Many civilizations throughout history and around the world have made contributions to how we live and carry on our everyday lives. It seems that perhaps you should carefully study your thoughts before you convert them to statements. To simply stamp Islam as terrorists and immigrants is, in my opinion, a sharply narrow point of view. Let us not forget that at one point in time during the colonization of the United States, the European settlers who first arrived were immigrants who committed violent acts of terrorism against the native people of this land.

    That being said, perhaps you will find this insightful.

    Article - Islamic Contributions

    Here are excerpts

    Algebra - The science of algebra owes much to gifted mathematicians of the Islamic era.
    Paper - The introduction of paper into the Moslem and European world was made possible when Arab conquerors overran Asia and Africa in the eighth century.
    Gunpowder - The Arabs also learned from the Chinese how to make gunpowder, but they put it to a use the Chinese had never conceived of. They experimented with the idea that the ex-plosive power of gunpowder could be utilized to project a missile from an enclosed chamber.
    Textiles - The Crusaders brought back glowing accounts of the rich fabrics of the East. Soon these fabrics became a part of the regular trade building up between the port cities of Italy and the cities of the Near East.
    Agricultural Products - The Crusaders were naturally envious of the rich and delicate tables set by the Saracens; rice prepared in many ways and served with lamb or chicken; lentils and other vegetables cooked appetizingly in olive oil; and delicious sweetmeats or fruits unknown to Europe.
    The Rise of the University - The Moslems, as we have seen, began to found universities in the ninth century, first in Baghdad and soon in Cairo, Fez, Cordova and other Moslem cities. The el-Azhar University of Cairo boasts of being the oldest existing university in the world.
    Machinery - They made translations of Hero's Mechanics and applied its principles to two important inventions, the water-mill and the windmill.

    In more modern times...

    Modern Islamic contributions to science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    1) In the 20th century, Salimuzzaman Siddiqui was a leading Pakistani scientist in natural products chemistry. He is the pioneer in extracting chemical compounds from the Neem and Rauwolfia, and is also known for isolating novel chemical compunds from various other flora in the Indian subcontinent. As the director of H.E.J. Research Institute of Chemistry, he carried out extensive research with a team of scientists on pharmacology of various plants to extract a number of chemical substances of medicinal importance.

    2) In 1991, Saudi medical researchers discovered "neuro-Behcet's disease",[4] a neurological involvement in Behcet's disease.

    3) Iranian scientist Samuel Rahbar was a pioneer in hematology and the understanding of diabetes. In 1969, he discovered glycosylated hemoglobin...

    4) Iranian physician and engineer Toffy Musivand invented a variety of medical technology, including the artificial cardiac pump as treatment for heart failure...

    5) Dr. Muhammad B. Yunus is a Muslim American physician who practices internal medicine and rheumatology.[8] In 1981, he published the "first controlled study of the clinical characteristics" of the fibromyalgia syndrome, for which he is regarded as "the father of our modern view of fibromyalgia.

    6) In 2007, Malaysian scientist Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor, who is both an astronaut and orthopedic surgeon, became the first to perform biomedical research in outer space.

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    Good Post, AVictorio...

    ...I was going to post about math and universities myself.

    When the crusades brought the Christian and Muslim worlds together, the cultural osmosis from east to west was profound. Europe from the end of the Roman civilization around 475 until the 1st Crusade around 1095 had lost much of the learning of the Greco-Roman times.

    While pagan books were burned or went to worm in Christian monasteries who weren't so interested in what the Greek philosophers had to say, the Islamic world preserved the works of Aristotle in their schools and monasteries. Alexander the Great had briefly conquered most of that region, spreading Greek culture, as it turned out, luckily for the Western world.

    When the Crusaders came into contact with the more advanced and cultured world of Islam from 1095 to 1291, it set the ground for the Renaissance that transformed Italy, then Europe, then the entire world. Arabic poetry influenced the bards and troubadours, pointed the way for the courtly love tradition, and influenced poets like Dante (1265-1321) and Petrarch (1304-1374).

    The study of Aristotle led to a greater focus on the natural world, which led to things like science and the humanities, greater realism in art and all kinds of good stuff.

    Maybe you think life was a better place when the Church controlled all learning, though. This way seems to work better.

    Oh...not to mention Arabic numerals, which the Arabs adopted from India and transmitted to Europe in the 13th through 15th centuries. Were it not for the Arabs, we would still number things like MMX, instead of 2010. Without that one contribution, we wouldn't be able to work not only algebra, but any form of advanced mathematics would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible. With no advanced mathematics like trigonometry and calculus, and you wouldn't have modern architecture and engineering, with everything that entails: skyscrapers, modern bridges, airplanes, cars, trains and so on.
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    So without Islam we wouldn't have had the Twin Towers?

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    It hasn't been proven that Twin Towers was something endorsed or supported by ordinary Muslims or Islam in particular. Even FBI records have debunked the notion about the 911 suspects. Twin Towers was something "political" and should be seen in that context only. If you've any personal example or event that suggests immigrants are responsible of any mess, then feel free to share. I think media has played an aggressive and active role in portraying Muslims as the culprits, only because the names of the suspects started with "Abu" or "Bin" or what ever nomenclature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerilynAton View Post
    I think media has played an aggressive and active role in portraying Muslims as the culprits, only because the names of the suspects started with "Abu" or "Bin" or what ever nomenclature...
    It wasn't that the murderers "just happened" to be Muslims. It was that:
    If I go out and murder thousands of people, other people are going to ask why. The "why" in this case is "because that is what Muhammad taught in the Qua'ran."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will.Spencer View Post
    It wasn't that the murderers "just happened" to be Muslims. It was that:
    If I go out and murder thousands of people, other people are going to ask why. The "why" in this case is "because that is what Muhammad taught in the Qua'ran."
    I think most of us need to get our records straight. Majority of us are an easy prey to media manipulation as we don't conduct enough research. If the case you're talking about was true, then to this century not a single non-Muslim would've been alive at all. There was a time when Muslims were as glorious as the West is right now. To my understanding that religion only "reasons" and does not impose it. If it was true then there would be terrorist attacks on daily basis ONLY on white Americans and apparently non-Muslims. We never knew ever that Al-Qaeeda existed until BBCNNFOX started propagating these things. If we are so smart that we can track a golf ball from a satellite miles away, why can't we spot that BLad? The context you're giving is basically out of context of the whole subject discussed in that book. The jizyah or whatever is only applicable to non-Muslims living under the Muslim rules. Its sort of a tax. But aren't we Americans paying so many taxes to our gov on different pretexts? The IRS, FED etc?

    We should avoid hate speech against other religions. This will only do us harm then help.
    When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened for us.

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    Merilyn, while I don't always agree with what you say, I do appreciate you presenting your arguments in a fair and reasonable fashion. It's this kind of calm discourse that truly makes the U.S. a great place.

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